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		<title>By: seohimanshu</title>
		<link>http://www.seotakeaways.com/2-powerful-reasons-you-should-stop-doing-cro-right-now-2/#comment-12718</link>
		<dc:creator>seohimanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My only objection is not to say or do CRO. Not being obsessed about this metric. I am not saying to discard the conversion rate metric. It is a good KPI. Good point about AOV outliers. That&#039;s why i use AOV of a product category to minimize the damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only objection is not to say or do CRO. Not being obsessed about this metric. I am not saying to discard the conversion rate metric. It is a good KPI. Good point about AOV outliers. That&#8217;s why i use AOV of a product category to minimize the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Verkuijlen</title>
		<link>http://www.seotakeaways.com/2-powerful-reasons-you-should-stop-doing-cro-right-now-2/#comment-12717</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Verkuijlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Himanshu,

Good post and an interesting take on CRO. 

You say: &quot;As i pointed out earlier that the fundamental problem with &#039;conversion rate is that it is a ratio metric. I can increase the conversion rate by decreasing the website traffic&quot;.

As an analyst it is key to be able to place things into perspective. Just by looking at CRO from an holistic point of view might give you a wrong impression since the data in aggregate. Therefore I believe CRO works, but you should always try to segment your data into meaningful groups. For example: Non-members vs. Members, light/medium/heavy users, traffic source, etc.

Then again, I hear what you say and I agree that especially for e-commerce organizations you should not only focus on CRO. With one client we experienced just that: CRO increased but the EBITDA decreased because the AOV took a small punch in the face. 

Keep in mind that with AOV you should keep on eye on AOV outliers as these can really impact your results. I guess there is a BUT behind every metric :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Himanshu,</p>
<p>Good post and an interesting take on CRO. </p>
<p>You say: &#8220;As i pointed out earlier that the fundamental problem with &#8216;conversion rate is that it is a ratio metric. I can increase the conversion rate by decreasing the website traffic&#8221;.</p>
<p>As an analyst it is key to be able to place things into perspective. Just by looking at CRO from an holistic point of view might give you a wrong impression since the data in aggregate. Therefore I believe CRO works, but you should always try to segment your data into meaningful groups. For example: Non-members vs. Members, light/medium/heavy users, traffic source, etc.</p>
<p>Then again, I hear what you say and I agree that especially for e-commerce organizations you should not only focus on CRO. With one client we experienced just that: CRO increased but the EBITDA decreased because the AOV took a small punch in the face. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that with AOV you should keep on eye on AOV outliers as these can really impact your results. I guess there is a BUT behind every metric <img src='http://www.seotakeaways.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: seohimanshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>seohimanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes i agree with you what you said. But my point is not to say or do CRO. It is very difficult for majority of marketers to focus on the big picture as long as they say or do CRO. Because at the end of the day CRO is just about optimizing conversion rates and we are here to make more money for our clients which is not possible unless we strongly focus on optimizing revenue and decreasing cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes i agree with you what you said. But my point is not to say or do CRO. It is very difficult for majority of marketers to focus on the big picture as long as they say or do CRO. Because at the end of the day CRO is just about optimizing conversion rates and we are here to make more money for our clients which is not possible unless we strongly focus on optimizing revenue and decreasing cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Putnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Putnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Himanshu, this is an interesting take on CRO, and valid at that. There are weaknesses with CRO that every marketer should and must realize. However, I don&#039;t know that I would completely write it off as you have here. In many instances, increasing the conversion rate makes a lot of sense for many business, so long as you pay attention to the bottom line impact. I haven&#039;t studied eCommerce as much but it&#039;s definitely true for SaaS. With that said, it shouldn&#039;t be the only metric. For instance, it&#039;s possible that a spike in traffic brings people to your site that aren&#039;t part of the target market. This will lead to lower conversion rates but increased exposure and awareness for a brand. There&#039;s also the fact that many customers don&#039;t buy the first time they visit a site. They may end up purchasing six months or more later. So pure conversion rate numbers can&#039;t measure the benefit of extra traffic that doesn&#039;t convert today. With that said, it makes sense to know what a companies goals are and to optimize the number of people who take those steps. If some customers are on the fence, you definitely want to push them over with CRO if at all possible. This will have a positive impact on revenue. So the bottom line, if you will, is that CRO is definitely a smart thing to do for most if not all businesses, but it&#039;s not the end all be all metric and should be considered along with the other metrics that you&#039;ve mentioned. Would you agree?

p.s. I just found your blog today and look forward to reading and commenting more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Himanshu, this is an interesting take on CRO, and valid at that. There are weaknesses with CRO that every marketer should and must realize. However, I don&#8217;t know that I would completely write it off as you have here. In many instances, increasing the conversion rate makes a lot of sense for many business, so long as you pay attention to the bottom line impact. I haven&#8217;t studied eCommerce as much but it&#8217;s definitely true for SaaS. With that said, it shouldn&#8217;t be the only metric. For instance, it&#8217;s possible that a spike in traffic brings people to your site that aren&#8217;t part of the target market. This will lead to lower conversion rates but increased exposure and awareness for a brand. There&#8217;s also the fact that many customers don&#8217;t buy the first time they visit a site. They may end up purchasing six months or more later. So pure conversion rate numbers can&#8217;t measure the benefit of extra traffic that doesn&#8217;t convert today. With that said, it makes sense to know what a companies goals are and to optimize the number of people who take those steps. If some customers are on the fence, you definitely want to push them over with CRO if at all possible. This will have a positive impact on revenue. So the bottom line, if you will, is that CRO is definitely a smart thing to do for most if not all businesses, but it&#8217;s not the end all be all metric and should be considered along with the other metrics that you&#8217;ve mentioned. Would you agree?</p>
<p>p.s. I just found your blog today and look forward to reading and commenting more.</p>
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		<title>By: seohimanshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>seohimanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joel!


As i pointed out earlier that the fundamental problem with &#039;conversion rate is that it is a ratio metric. So increase in conversion rate does not always means increase in transactions even if we keep AOV constant. I can increase the conversion rate by decreasing the website traffic. 


AOV can be much more important than transaction volumes in increasing sales and gross profit. For example you can sell 10 items of $10 each and make $100 in revenue at the marketing cost of say $20 or  you can sell 5 items of $100 each and make $500 in revenue at the same marketing cost of $20. In the end you can make more money by focusing on high price items depending upon your business model and profit margin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joel!</p>
<p>As i pointed out earlier that the fundamental problem with &#8216;conversion rate is that it is a ratio metric. So increase in conversion rate does not always means increase in transactions even if we keep AOV constant. I can increase the conversion rate by decreasing the website traffic. </p>
<p>AOV can be much more important than transaction volumes in increasing sales and gross profit. For example you can sell 10 items of $10 each and make $100 in revenue at the marketing cost of say $20 or  you can sell 5 items of $100 each and make $500 in revenue at the same marketing cost of $20. In the end you can make more money by focusing on high price items depending upon your business model and profit margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Chudleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Chudleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that you have an OK point about AOV and transactions being the 2 key measurements of success but if we make the assumption that traffic quality remains constant and AOV remains constant over time then increasing the conversion rate does actually mean increasing transactions. Yes, you can set up all kinds of conversions in tools such as GA but usually the primary conversion goal type for an e-commerce site is transactions.
I think that the point that you should be making is that the term &quot;conversion rate optimisation&quot; is not broad enough to cover all of the considerations that you should be taking into account whilst trying to increase the performance of your website - perhaps &quot;website performance optimisation&quot; would be a better term.
I think that when most people work on improving conversion rate it is revenue and transaction numbers that they are directly concentrating on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you have an OK point about AOV and transactions being the 2 key measurements of success but if we make the assumption that traffic quality remains constant and AOV remains constant over time then increasing the conversion rate does actually mean increasing transactions. Yes, you can set up all kinds of conversions in tools such as GA but usually the primary conversion goal type for an e-commerce site is transactions.<br />
I think that the point that you should be making is that the term &#8220;conversion rate optimisation&#8221; is not broad enough to cover all of the considerations that you should be taking into account whilst trying to increase the performance of your website &#8211; perhaps &#8220;website performance optimisation&#8221; would be a better term.<br />
I think that when most people work on improving conversion rate it is revenue and transaction numbers that they are directly concentrating on.</p>
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		<title>By: seohimanshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>seohimanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kurt!


Anyone who selects &#039;conversion rate&#039; as a success metric for its test is knowingly or unknowingly advocating to look at conversion rate in isolation. In testing it is quite common to select a winner on the basis of conversion rate alone. Statisticians interpret ratios very carefully because they are well aware of their limitations. This is not always the case with marketers and analysts. There is no point focusing on improving the conversion rate if there is a negative correlation between conversion rate and AOV/transactions]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kurt!</p>
<p>Anyone who selects &#8216;conversion rate&#8217; as a success metric for its test is knowingly or unknowingly advocating to look at conversion rate in isolation. In testing it is quite common to select a winner on the basis of conversion rate alone. Statisticians interpret ratios very carefully because they are well aware of their limitations. This is not always the case with marketers and analysts. There is no point focusing on improving the conversion rate if there is a negative correlation between conversion rate and AOV/transactions</p>
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		<title>By: seohimanshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>seohimanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good example you have shared. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good example you have shared. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Boyte</title>
		<link>http://www.seotakeaways.com/2-powerful-reasons-you-should-stop-doing-cro-right-now-2/#comment-12696</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody Boyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Working at a SaaS company where 1/4 of our visitors are already Members, we had to build workarounds to get rid of existing Members from our numbers. Otherwise, as we grow our conversion rate drops by default. The more you focus on CRO, the more of these strange situations you run into. 



You should watch conversion rates to make sure they&#039;re not changing dramatically without reason, but otherwise trying too hard to overoptimize for CR can end up killing your brand equity (which drives long-term revenue). Good post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working at a SaaS company where 1/4 of our visitors are already Members, we had to build workarounds to get rid of existing Members from our numbers. Otherwise, as we grow our conversion rate drops by default. The more you focus on CRO, the more of these strange situations you run into. </p>
<p>You should watch conversion rates to make sure they&#8217;re not changing dramatically without reason, but otherwise trying too hard to overoptimize for CR can end up killing your brand equity (which drives long-term revenue). Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: KURT.</title>
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		<dc:creator>KURT.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgive me if I&#039;m wrong but, if you opt for Number of Transactions and AOV as your success metrics, you&#039;d have to send equal traffic (visits or visitors - take your pick) to the challenger and control pages to determine a winner, right?

When you run any split test there&#039;s a chance that your challenger page won&#039;t perform as well as the control - it&#039;s the nature of experimenting based on hypotheses: you won&#039;t always be right. What you&#039;re suggesting requires me to convince each of my clients to expose my experiments/tests to AT LEAST half of their traffic, and if I wanted to test two challenger pages against a control simultaneously, splitting the traffic equally would mean that I&#039;m exposing 66% of the traffic to challengers; this percentage obviously increases with the number of simultaneous tests. Whether your turning over a few hundred bucks or many millions in revenue, your suggestion carries too much risk. 



Alternatively, I&#039;d need to ask my clients to create a copy of the control page (or do it myself), and only run my experiments on the challenger(s) and the copy of the control.


Adopting a method of equal traffic to every test page just isn&#039;t practical. If ratios are good enough for statisticians, then they&#039;re good enough for me. CROs the world over are still capable of looking at metrics holistically and driving all important revenue increases without relabeling the discipline or changing it entirely. How many people advocate looking at conversion rate in isolation anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if I&#8217;m wrong but, if you opt for Number of Transactions and AOV as your success metrics, you&#8217;d have to send equal traffic (visits or visitors &#8211; take your pick) to the challenger and control pages to determine a winner, right?</p>
<p>When you run any split test there&#8217;s a chance that your challenger page won&#8217;t perform as well as the control &#8211; it&#8217;s the nature of experimenting based on hypotheses: you won&#8217;t always be right. What you&#8217;re suggesting requires me to convince each of my clients to expose my experiments/tests to AT LEAST half of their traffic, and if I wanted to test two challenger pages against a control simultaneously, splitting the traffic equally would mean that I&#8217;m exposing 66% of the traffic to challengers; this percentage obviously increases with the number of simultaneous tests. Whether your turning over a few hundred bucks or many millions in revenue, your suggestion carries too much risk. </p>
<p>Alternatively, I&#8217;d need to ask my clients to create a copy of the control page (or do it myself), and only run my experiments on the challenger(s) and the copy of the control.</p>
<p>Adopting a method of equal traffic to every test page just isn&#8217;t practical. If ratios are good enough for statisticians, then they&#8217;re good enough for me. CROs the world over are still capable of looking at metrics holistically and driving all important revenue increases without relabeling the discipline or changing it entirely. How many people advocate looking at conversion rate in isolation anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny thing is you&#039;ll always hear the high-level guys saying that CRO is king. &quot;Increase our conversion only a half of a percentage equals millions of dollars in the bank&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is you&#8217;ll always hear the high-level guys saying that CRO is king. &#8220;Increase our conversion only a half of a percentage equals millions of dollars in the bank&#8221;</p>
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